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Thursday, 14 February 2008

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Obama running in these elections seems to have opened up a whole can of worms on race and pride. The internet seems to be littered with discussions of Obama's viewpoints and links to Africa, and how that will have an affect on the US. My little run in with Mr Joe Blogs from New York White Pride has also brought a lot of traffic my way regarding the subject, and while doing a bit of searching ran into another blog entry entitled "Why is "White Pride" Considered Racist and Taboo?"...

The article came from problogs.com, and was talking about how Black People can have their Black Pride, but White People can't have their White Pride, how Black People can have Black only beauty Pageants and Whites can't and also how Black have Black history month and ...well you know the rest.

It was an interesting article, and I couldn't help but share my opinion on the point. So I did so, and tried my best to be much more amicable than my last reply to Mr Joe Blogs.

This was my reply:

I think you have brought up some great points here, and it does signal a double standard of sorts. Now before I come up with my explanation or view of things, I should let you know that I am a British black male, now living in the USA. I was born in Ghana, and brought up in England where I lived for about 24 years, where the racial segregation is not as bad as it is in the USA. I totally agree with and understand your frustration, and don't totally agree with how things are playing out in the world. However, it has to be taken in a historical context.

I think the main reason the "white pride" is more of a taboo these days and "black pride" is not is because it is seen that in the past the concept of "white pride" in a sense was abused and led to feelings of superiority culminating in slavery, differences in class structure etc, a lot of which still exists today. Whereas the concept of "black pride" does not have that same history and was actually non-existent for a long time. To be honest the public concept of "black pride" is relatively new when compared to "white pride". I would prefer if both eradicated and replaced with a general "humankind pride". Skin colour shouldn't be a thing to separate people in this way.

Also about "black history month". The only reason it is being publicized in this way, is because for 100's of years it was pretty much forgotten, and not really recognized in mainstream education. A lot of history is written from the perspective of europeans/north american whites. The introduction of Black history month was to instill a balance of both histories which are both relevant, although I agree it isn't being done in the right way.

Lastly the beauty pageants in the past were actually all white, with black women not being allowed to participate. This was during the time of racial segregation. Although, I don't agree of how in our day, you get black only beauty pageants, and not white only ones. I think there should be no segregation when it comes to all people, not just beautiful women.

In conclusion (and I have written way too much), this unfairness you talk about is more because of the historical contexts of racism, and peoples attempts to rectify it, than black people imposing their rule and way on things. I know a lot of it doesn't seem fair, but hey, what in the world is fair? All we can do is make the best of it and spread love.

Peace

K

One thing I left out, which would have been good to include was the similarities with this and sexism. Women have feminism, but men don't have masculinism, you have women's studies, but don't have men's studies for similar reasons as I have placed above. It's been nearly 2 days since I left my reply, and so far I have not had a response. It would be interesting to get one, so I will keep on checking.

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xuehong |02-20-2008 15:00:20
I like your following comment "I would prefer if both eradicated and
replaced with a general "humankind pride". Skin colour shouldn't be a
thing to separate people in this way." o
 kip  - historical context |03-16-2008 16:53:35
your right about connecting it with the past. but there are more specific causes
for present-day separation. unlike black history month, the black beauty
pageants are not a recent development. they were started as cotillions over a
century ago, a direct response to exclusion from regular beauty pageants run by rich whites.

parallel
institutions developed in every area where blacks had interest and ability, but
no access: negro league baseball, music (jazz, blues, rock & roll), black
churches (AME etc), beauty salons, and arguably, african american vernacular
english (they did not have access to regular grammar instruction and literacy,
so they developed their own, internally-grammatical dialect during slavery).


perhaps a more important topic, historically black colleges like Spellman,
Florida A&M, and Grambling were a direct result of exclusion from regular
(white-run) colleges. many rich white children still inherit the financial
benefit college offered their grandparents (not everyone's grandparents attended
college, but my point is if they got in because others were legally excluded,
that contributed unequally to family wealth).

the goal in establishing their
own schools was self-sufficiency. and this remains a mission of historically
black colleges.

as in K's example of black history month, what happened was
the so-called "regular" versions of these things were actually very
racist. especially before the 1960s, the "regular" or "normal"
version of anything in america actually meant not just white, but anglo (or at
least northwest europe) and male and english-speaking and for many decades,
land-owning.

people who criticize the existence of such institutions are
confusing cause and effect. as soon as there is no need for a separate support
system, they will not be useful and will recede or merge with the
"regular" version, because it has incorporated their participation and
identities.

interesting example:
the vast majority of african americans
used to get their news exclusively from black-owned newspapers. there were daily
papers in every major city, and several competing papers in places like chicago,
memphis, atlanta, baltimore, new york. events in the black community were
(before the 1950s) never covered by regular newspapers. if a black entrepreneur
expanded his business, or if a group of young men were lynched for allegedly
flirting with white women, black readers wanted to know about it. and
black-owned papers were the only source.

during the civil rights struggle,
mainstream newspapers began to cover such events, and eventually hired black
journalists. black readers were attracted to these white-owned papers.

one
by one the black newpapers scaled back or closed. some survive today, but people
use them as supplements to their primary news source.

now, the integration
of community concerns was not the only reason for this shift - there was vast
consolidation across the entire news industry. while in 1900 there were a dozen
competing dailies in a single city, by 2008 there's only 1 or 2. giant
corporations (gannett, hearst) bought papers and made them as uniform as
possible. so black papers didn't really fit this new model. new media (radio,
tv, internet) have made newspapers struggle across the board.

extraneous
details:
most black communities with strong history hold on at least to their
own weekly paper. but again, as a secondary source. in los angeles county, there
is the large daily "Sentinel." and at least 9 small weeklies - Watts
Star, Firestone Park News, Inglewood Tribune, Long Beach Times, Lynwood Journal,
Carson Bulletin, Compton Bulletin, Wilmington Beacon, Central News Wave. similar
to the colleges, where partial integration has occurred (blacks attend
"white" schools, whites attend "black" schools), all these
newspapers cover non-black people and events, hire non-black journalists, run
ads from non-black companies. really, most focus on geography (certain
neighborhood[s]) and class, not race so much.

once black stories are fully
integrated into regular history curriculum every month, black history month will become redundant and obsolete.
K |03-17-2008 17:53:12
Thanks for that Kip. It was very enlightening to know the history of the
separation in detail.
Evan  - Thoughts |03-18-2008 10:53:14
I agree with you on a few points, but I will point out a few things from my own
point of view being a white male and an advocate of "white pride".

Race
is not simply skin color. It is genetic, physiological, cultural, sociological,
etc. A white person isn't white just because of the color of his skin. Some
white people are white and don't have "white" skin at all.

I believe
that racial differences are balanced when everyone is treated the same, not when
one race is treated differently, simply because of past discrimination.
K |03-20-2008 19:32:51
I agree that race is not simply skin color, but I don't quite understand how
someone can be white without having white skin. Even though skin color is not
the only factor, in most scenarios it is the most important.

I also believe
people should be treated the same, but before that can happen there needs to be
reconciliation of past discrimination. People can only get over the past and
move forward when the remnants of past discriminations are removed from current
society. This will only happen with REAL equal rights; total elimination of
discrimination; change in stereotypical media portrayals of not just minorities,
but all people. The list goes on. there are many other things in current society
that stop people being truly treated the same, and things won't improve until
they are dealt with.

3.25 Copyright (C) 2007 Alain Georgette / Copyright (C) 2006 Frantisek Hliva. All rights reserved."


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